Wera, Koken, Tone, USA, Who makes the best ratchets sockets? A super knit-picky fitment comparison.
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You don’t need a Japaness ratchet to not have much slack. My zyklop has huge slack compered to my Gearwrench rachets.
Great video!…thank you!
Cross bore is used in automatic nutrunner in industry ( diffirent locking system , by pin, ) safety rule
we use the cross bore and pin on heavy duty applications. mainly 3/4 inch and larger impact wrenches which dont have a ball detent mostly
That Blackhawk ratchet sure looks another like a tone .
100% people working at the top of missile silo’s don’t drop your tools lol
The play in the ratchet is no good.. why are we just skipping that
Taiwan make alot of the European companies tools to European spec but its cheaper to be made there.
Sir, have you seen the Vessel 900ALWC bit holder handle?
Hi, great content as usual. Could you tell me what the little socket set you s on the right, looks like a tidy bit of kit. Cheers 🇬🇧
I like this level of attention to detail, but I think how the socket fits on a bolt is much more important than how it fits onto the ratchet.
It would be nice if he didn’t speak like a drunk. 1.25% speed for the win.
Hey Bzueg, what’s the best T25 for using with my JDM Makita? Vessels are very disappointing with the slop. I love Makita Gold T25, but want a slim 3-4 inch T25
I think the tolerances for Japanese sockets are smaller than everyone else, which is why sockets always fit better….minutely bigger where socket meets anvil.
Love all your videos. My Koken and Stahlwille are my favorites ratchets. They seem to have a “soul” of some sort, lol. Still use my Tekton and USA Craftsman ratchets, but they are pretty sloppy. Starting to move them from the workshop to car kits and such.
What are the best ones for the Wera wrench?
0:20.. and, has zero effect on the ability to break a bolt or nut…
Cross bar is most useful for 1/2 and 3/4 impacts.
The explosion in 1980 at Damascus Titan missile in Arkansas was initiated by the Air Force tech not reading the safety bulletin about securing a socket to the ratchet. using the cross bore. The socket fell off to the bottom of the missle silo, punching a hole int he missle releasing toxic and flammable gases
Tone are made in taiwan😊
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Likewise had always thought and done the same as you. I can only assume the fixed-to-anvil sockets are for industrial use (as I’d seen them described in Ko-ken’s industrial catalog), where you don’t want employees changing sockets anyway (one fitting-type to a single assembly station), but sure, I guess I could also imagine it in aerospace? Curious to see what comments are left, and if you make yet another follow-up on the topic.
Steel erector from the UK,we use pin and rubber on all socket and rattler guns to keep the socket on at hight.
I would like to see Kijen go against its sister plant Nepros. I suspect Nepros will come out the winter. The quality they put into their tools is just four notches above what even Snap On does. However I place Koken ratchets far better than snap-on due to the near no back drag. Smooth as silk..
The pin and o-ring is a Japanese industrial standard they need to follow when using sockets on pneumatic and electric drives, it’s a safety feature to ensure the sockets don’t fly off and hurt someone. They also need to tether their hand tools to their belts when on ladders and scaffolding, you’ll see their hammers and other hand tools having lanyard holes a lot. That Proto Black Hawk ratchet is a Tone rebrand, Tone does have a good amount of their ratchets made in Taiwan.
Ironworkers use it so you don’t drop sockets
Hey Bzeug. I am the lead engineer for an industrial tool supplier in the United states. We supply everything from hand tools, to power tools, to extremely precise aerospace grade electronically controlled tools. We also supply custom sockets, torque tools, and countless other assembly tool related solutions. I would be more than happy to talk with you about all the different products and designs that are out there and answer any questions you may have about tools in general. This is in now way an attempt at promotion. I just like tools!
On production lines they use the pin as the socket never gets swapped as each "station" is for a specific task. Very interesting with the placement of the ball, I too always lined up the hole with the ball. Tested it and it does make the socket fit tighter. Think it goes to show that unless you really pay attention to it, it does not really matter.
Pin is used on bigger 3/4 an 1 inch stuff but I have a set of tone 3/8 impact that have a pin a oring on every socket.
I can imagine many situations where a socket is ideal BUT dropping a socket inside something would be a massive problem. I suspect that cross-drilled hole, with a cross pin and O-ring cold make dropping a socket almost impossible. perhaps this is the application for it.
Precision is both tuned intentionally and unintentionally, so fitment between brands will be rather unintentional because most brands don’t care about if their products work good nor bad together with other brands. From a consumer aspect you just have to try for yourself and see what suits you. Some like this, others like that…
I get that a 1/2" socket is a standard, but brand A would like X amount of play and brand B may not even care about precision. You have to understand that you both need precision at the male *_and_* female side of the aspect, and the only viable way of measuring precision is between prducts from the same company that they claim should work together. If there’s lots of slop between a socket from company X and a ratchet from company Y that doesn’t really come as a surprise to me. If the fit is good then good but if it’s sloppy then tough luck.
I get that some would want to use a certain socket from brand X together with their favorite ratchet from brand Y, but just keep your expectations low because there’s no guarantee that will be a good match nor is it something you should expect simply because companies don’t care much about how the other companies make their shit.
The few Koken tools I’ve bought I’ve been extremely impressed with the fit and finish. Definitely plan on getting more.
Btw can you do a comparison video on different brands wobble fix extension bars? I know you have some Wera ones
The half bore in these sockets is actually for a pin detent, not a ball detent. The pin detent is not that common, but it exists. You have to use a small screwdriver to change your sockets, so it’s only useful when you want to permanently put a socket on. My father has an old Bosch impact with that o ring and pin fixiation. I think this is a relic from the past.
My main use of the pin and o ring is for work at height industries. To prevent falling object incidents. Typically on construction, offshore and marine use.
The Blackhawk looks like a rebranded Tone ratchet.
No snap on?
Just pined my 1 3/8” 3/4” drive socket on a couple days ago. 3/4” and 1” sockets super common when the sockets get that big and heavy and you are doing stuff like replacing and torquing 32 1” bolts upside down in a boom lift pedestal. The last thing you need is to worry about the damn socket falling off especially if you are under it or even your helper is under it.
Ko-ken Z-EAL sockets are the best because of there patented detent in the socket. It’s tapered to push play out.
I’ve been using ko-ken for over 20 years, they have been nothing short of exemplary.
I really wish they made spanners.
great video, thank you! 😊 Do you have Hazet HiPer ratchet, because I would like to see comparision with KoKen?
I love my Koken and Williams even though koken has no qc issues on mine sockets and ratchets
Snap on are the best not even close
The second you commented about the through bore on the sockets I realised it’s a feature I’ve been dying to have on my ratchet impact driver. When removing corrugated (asbestos) roofing the ratchets tend to stick/lock to the screws due to their rusty heads. Having a throug bore would completely eliminate that so you can just whack the impact to bust the bolt out and continue working
The cross pin feature is good for big heavy industrial 3/4 sockets and above where you might be pushing a long ratchet (with 2 hands and another person holding the socket side onto the bolt) and you have a higher chance of deviating the pushing or pulling forces in the z direction. Direction that could pop the socket out. But for smaller ratchet its probably for use in factories where the workers are doing bolts in repetition and they rarely had to change socket size.
Facom ratchets are often made by USAG in Italy. They’re also sold under the Würth brand.
We are using the pin retention, this is mandatory for us. We are working on turbines and generators. Any foreign material left inside the machine after the maintenance can cause millions of dollars of damages. It happened before where a socket fall off in a place that is very hard/impossible to reach, hence the mandatory requirement for us to use the pin retention.
Does the fit youre going over here really matter? I don’t think it does.
All Japanese Makita impact wrenches use the through hole anvils.
Love my Japanese tools. Koken, Nepros, Tone, Anex, Vessel etc. Never been dissatisfied with any of their products. Have multiple Koken Ratchets, they are my go to.
We use them in the industrial power generation side , it’s good for when your using one socket for long periods of time so that way during your fast movements, whether you’re assembling or disassembling machinery, you don’t lose the socket and the high work temple height pace environment. I say it’s good for that reason that’s what we use them for and we use them on battery powered impact wrenches or air powered impact. Wrenches you have to ensure that the anvil has a pass through anvil